The Rychus One
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Post by The Rychus One on Dec 29, 2002 23:30:17 GMT -5
Music can never die aslong as the artists puts their heart, their soul, blood, sweat and tears into their music. That is what makes the music alive!
'Pop'ular music like Brittney Spears, Jennifer Lopez and BSB are dead because they were never alive to begin with!
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Post by Lexie Chica on Dec 30, 2002 0:00:27 GMT -5
I don't have much to add right now cos you guys have already made a lot of great points, especially that you have to look a lot harder to find good music these days and that music like Spears and N'Suck never was 'alive' anyway (haha good one Rychus ;D And with consolidation, the almighty dollar, big boobs, and slick music ruling the day . . .
Luckily I live in an area where you can still see decent shows in smaller clubs for (usually) not tons of $$. (But I still don't like the mega-festivals!!) I try to keep an eye on the 'alternative' music press and listen to what you guys and others who share my musical tastes are into. And, imo, there are a couple of great bands in the mainstream, like Radiohead and Coldplay, who are creative and have gotten recognitition without 'selling out'. Kinda like REM in the day haha But really good music gets far and away too little attention and recognition...
Cya! Lexie
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Post by Lexie Chica on Dec 30, 2002 0:43:19 GMT -5
(and how could I forget Tori!! !! !! in the mainstream This is kindof (or totally) off-topic, but there is a little selfish piece of me that feels somewhat sad when a great band with a small following makes it big cos you know it won't be long before those shows in small, intimate clubs will be no more So, while I'm happy for the band or performer for their success, it's also kindof like everybody now knows this fantastic secret Anyone else feel the same? Yeah, we can take it to another room, mods, if ya like Lexie Chicklet
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Post by Helitzme on Dec 30, 2002 1:44:18 GMT -5
Wow,you guys pretty much said what i was gonna say, music isnt dead as much as it is boring. sorry britney and all your clones,beauty fades, no one is going remember your contribution to pop music. The radio sucks playing the same crappy songs over and over. well at least out here in L.A. and you would think that the music would be better out here but it just aint what it used to be like back in the day. Music with Heart, grit and emotion is rare anymore. Hey Rich, thanks for doing what you do so well.keep kickin ass boy.................... peace y'all- Hel
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Post by Ratgirl on Dec 30, 2002 2:49:05 GMT -5
Like the song says
"Hey Hey, My My"
Hey hey, my my Rock'n'Roll will never die Here's more to the picture than meets the eye Hey hey my my You're out of the blue and into the black They give you this but you pay for that
And when you die, no you won't come back Because you're out of the blue and into the black
My my hey hey Rock'n'Roll is here to stay
It's better to burn out than to fade away My my hey hey
By Neil Young
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Post by richardpatrick on Dec 30, 2002 3:50:37 GMT -5
thank you for your words everybody.
richard
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Post by admin on Dec 30, 2002 3:59:24 GMT -5
i don't think music will ever die. i was just listning to metallica's 'nothing elese matters' and for somereason it reminded me of the classical era of music. (ie: Bach, Beethoven) those guys were pushing the musicial limit to it's max during that time span, creating shit that people never imagined. musicians are still doing that. i mean i love sitting down at my keyboard and messing around with eMagic's Logic, it's fun stuff...i'm telling ya.
but i do believe that the music culture is dead. look at mtv. they're an evil empire who will say "This is how it is" and all of a sudden we have the vast majority of a country (if not several countries) all swallowing those little words and living by them.
So my feelings are, on one had we have the "American Pop-Culture" who is running the show. And on the other hand we have real musicians who are keeping the musicial notes alive.
-wark-
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Post by badassrockchick on Dec 30, 2002 6:06:34 GMT -5
Richie...my fellow boarders... I don't mean to sound like I'm kissing ass here but as far as I'm concerned... Unless Filter went and died while I was in Spain, music is NOT dead!!!
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Post by unwillingsong on Dec 30, 2002 9:36:05 GMT -5
I went to grad school with this guy--Jay--a musician. At the time he was in a most-groovus band called Second Skin--Jay hates labels, but I'd call them punk. (We used to have this great club called the Milestone...lots of major bands played there back in the day--REM went on to become the "biggest" commercially...it was a dive...awesome...Jay's band was a regular there.)
ANYWAY--Second Skin played around the south for years--had some record company "scouts" check them out. Nothing happened. Jay never seemed to care about that, though. If it happened, cool--if not, oh well.
So he's bounced around--still plays all over the south--has a pretty decent following.
His brother--Mike--used to play with him. Jay is a WAY better musician than Mike. But Mike has been with Athenaeum for about a year now. Athenaeum = Radio music. They've had a little success on Top 40. Suddenly Mike is ALL about that.
But Jay--he's still writing and performing his strange and cool stuff. (Talk about using everything AND the kitchen sink in his songs!) Happy doing clubs. He's going to make music no matter what (and I think THAT is why music will never die--because people like Jay "have to" make music...it's who they are).
But I don't think success necessarily means you've sold out. Not at all. I think it's all about what motivates you to create...
One of my favorite nerdy-English-teacher-word-lover-quotes (actually a part of a weird and cool painting hanging in my livingroom): "A work of art is good if it has sprung from necessity. In this nature of its origin lies the judgement of it: There is no other." That's Rainer Maria Rilke. Long-time-ago writer, philosopher type.
I think you can tell when a song--music and lyrics--have sprung from necessity--and when they've sprung from a response to the corporate...
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Post by filterchic on Dec 30, 2002 12:18:49 GMT -5
If you compare music today to the music back in the 60's and 70's, then you can probably say that it is suffering. But rock n roll will never die and thanks to you, sexy boy, you keep us all sane!!!!!
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Post by cynic_elle on Dec 30, 2002 14:29:09 GMT -5
I think everyone has basically summed up what I'm about to say, because you've all touched on all the major points.
Firstly, no music isn't dead. It will never die altogether, even though it changes form -- for better or for worse. Yes, at times its quality suffers. At times, its artistic merit suffers as well. When the music fails to be just that and metamorphizes into a corporate money scramble, the music isn't even what it's all about.
That's what is ruining a lot of the music industry right now. Too many bands are out there just as a front for their record label, and that's sad.
I instead would rather focus on people who make music on their own terms and wind up making music that means something and says something. For example, a lot of the music I've been listening to lately gives me that vibe: Queens of the Stone Age, Best of U2, Queen, Filter, etc.
It's refreshing to be able to escape the chart topping music that has no merit. (just turn on Much Music or MTV for chrissake)
Anyway, I'm off for a while to Toronto for New Years.
Happy New Years everyone -- don't do anything I wouldn't do!
Cynic
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Post by filterdgirl on Dec 30, 2002 14:56:42 GMT -5
nice thread topic, Rich... I agree w/ filter247 when he said that music wasnt dead..... I think that while there are a great number of acts that are out there crankin out awesome tunes for us all...*ahem* :-*and are advancing MUSIC as a whole (in my opinion), there are those that are bringin it all down at the same time... with those artists, the focus has come to be on making videos and what damn clothes they wear (or dont wear ) The music has come second, as something that gives them an excuse to make tv appearances, make slutty, skanky videos, and have their ugly mugs put up on billboards in Times Square.music is still * alive n kickin *...its just that videos, imagery, and visual effects are increasingly influencing and dominating listeners' perception of music, let alone GOOD music => if we only heard the music put out there by artists and had no conception of what they looked like...i wonder who would sell albums and who would still be cleanin the floors of your local Burger King....
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Post by Amalgamut on Dec 30, 2002 15:05:56 GMT -5
Good question. Apparently Denmark is a lot like America when it comes to music. Only, in addition to the crappy foreign music we get here, we also have to live with a shitload of crappy Danish bands. Now here's the thing I hate the most: Popstars ... the TV show! Is that an American show? Well, I'm gonna assume that you all know what I'm talking about. Anyway, it drives me fucking mad that no-talent people who can't even write their own music or anything get promoted like they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. I just don't get it! But What annoys me the most is that so many people watch it. What the fuck are they thinking about? Shows like that are an insult to people who still have a little taste left in spite of the media's attempts to turn us all into good little robots, who are satisfied with the canned food that most music is today. No. Music is not dead but in some ways, it does need to be rescucitated. So keep rocking, Rich and all the rest of you talented people out there! (Should I have gone to the venting thread?) Ama
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Post by unwillingsong on Dec 30, 2002 20:51:35 GMT -5
Nah...this whole thread has been a venting thread to one extent or another, Ama. We have a TERRIBLE show (I've not watched it--since X-Files is gone, there's nothing I watch on TV right now)--that we have in the US...American Idol...GAG... Sounds a little like Popstar (which may be on over here...don't know...)
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Post by stiletto on Dec 30, 2002 21:50:48 GMT -5
Unless Disturbed, Foo Fighters, NIN, STP, and Weezer have suddenly ceased to exist then, no, music is not dead.
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