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Post by FilterdinBoston on Dec 30, 2002 23:37:20 GMT -5
I'm gonna keep this quick...
Kids...afraid of not conforming and being made fun of + MTV telling them whats cool and whats not, and basically telling them not to think independently + a million other reasons = looks like music is dead....but it really isnt...there is a local show i went to with local bands and none of them sounded like ANYONE,...at the most they sounded like Foo Fighter's style or even early STP.
Music isnt dead...its commercialized.
-Boston
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Post by Ratgirl on Dec 31, 2002 18:52:43 GMT -5
I dont think music is dead but it has changed alot, I grew up listing to people like Pasty, george, Neil, Ringo and so on, I do think boy bands are out for awhile again.
I have only 15% hearing so I like my Music very loud! And FILTER is one of the few bands I can hear well and know what is being said most bands I have a hard time understanding. So Richard when you come to Colorado for a concert I would like to be as close to the stage so I can feel the music as well as hear it, and I want to take Pix as well.
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Post by l to the ennix on Jan 1, 2003 22:06:38 GMT -5
In no way is anything contained herein intended as a personal slight to anyone, but it is my heartfelt opinion:
Music is not dead nor is it dying...the fans of music, however, are getting closer to braindeath every day.
It amazes me that a band that has been together since '96 and has come close to perfecting a genre is lambasted (Linkin Park) in the same breath as Korn, whos lead singer has no discernable vocal talent and whos music has been substandard at best is praised..it is of note that the same man who gave Linkin Park it's "commercial, glossy" sound is also the producer for Trust Company's latest CD..
No current band is more or less commercial than the last, when it comes to it...and even so, there's nothing that degrades music in comparison to its distribution..just because you're corporate doesn't mean you suck, just as being indy doesn't give you musical credibility..come on now, Emo? really...you want to talk about music that all sounds the same.
I am proud to say that I'm coming out swinging in defense of Mr. Timberlake and N*SYNC.
Why? Well, because Timberlake co-wrote 7 of 13 songs (which, in pop, is a vast improvement), including the two major singles. Furthermore, they have always been upfront about enjoying their fame, and embracing the pop music culture.
I'll take that any day over Metal Band X's self-righteous "you can't categorize our music, fame sucks, now give us money and, uh, yeah satan and stuff."
I found it funny to see, I believe it was the Alkaline Trio's quote "We'll never do what the mainstream is doing" on the cover of Spin Magazine, which is just as glossy as Rolling Stone, and sits next to RS in SAM GOODY..A CORPORATE, RETAIL STORE.
But no, they're cool. And N*SYNC sucks, because they sing safe songs, and bring other people into write them. But Radiohead, they're Gods, cause they write their own, unsafe stuff...nevermind the fact that half of it is unlistenable warbling of synths mixed in with some good hype.
Music is fine..all we need is for the fans to cut the bullshit.
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Post by WetWorks on Jan 2, 2003 9:49:20 GMT -5
In the words of "Stone Cold" Steve Austin What??
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Post by WetWorks on Jan 2, 2003 17:03:59 GMT -5
NM, i think i got it..
Thanks..
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Post by coolbyrne on Jan 2, 2003 18:03:17 GMT -5
Is music dead? I dunno. Real, tangible music with some kind of depth and gravity? Yeah, I think it's, in the very least, on life support. The real sad thing is, in the past, while shit like disco was going on, a talent like Bob Marley was doin' his thing and blowin' peoples' minds. Then we get the MTV-big hair-tight spandex soundtrack of the 80's, then Metallica shows up, then Cobain shows up and really *change* things. Nowadays, out of the ashes of boy bands and Britney Spears, et al, instead of being reassured that music still matters, we're getting shit like The Vines and The Hives and The Strokes who are hyped up the ass and hailed as saviours of music. Hello? They're fucking watered down versions of better bands that came out before 90% of this new audience was born, so they don't know any better. That's not to say that "borrowing" music styles hasn't gone on as long since Presley sang the blues, but now there doesn't seem to be any kind of effort to make it your own. It's like, "We'll go back far enough that our audience won't know we're ripping off Velvet Underground and we'll pass it off as our own." And I just about want to choke when Avril Lavigne comes out and says she's a punk rock girl then doesn't even know who the fuck The Sex Pistols are. Give me a break. And my friends wonder why I'd rather listen to Henry Rollins or Filter or Portishead than Theory-of-a-Nickelback-Creed or Sum-Boxcar Racer-182. I guess the important thing to remember (or console ourselves with) is that the idea of music being dead is applicable to mainstream stuff in general, but not the genre over all. There *is* some good stuff out there that reinforce your faith (Flaming Lips, Sigur Ros); you just have to look for it a bit harder. Rich- can you understand *now* why we wait so anxiously for your new shit? -coolbyrne
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Post by coolbyrne on Jan 2, 2003 18:13:21 GMT -5
Just a quick note in regards to over-spun singles on the radio (not really directed at you, filter247; it's been mentioned a couple of times ). Ask anyone who works in radio and they'll probably tell you the same thing (and I bet this applies to music videos stations, too)- they've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to discover that the average radio listener's attention span is approximately 20 minutes. For all the talk they do about promoting their station as the one you can listen to at work or whatever, they don't expect you to really *listen* to them all day, so they have to hook you in by keeping the top 10 on continual rotation. (The things you learn when you talk to the DJ at Edge102.1 in Toronto while waiting for Rich and Geno to show up. LOL!) -coolbyrne
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Post by cynic_elle on Jan 2, 2003 23:05:07 GMT -5
(The things you learn when you talk to the DJ at Edge102.1 in Toronto while waiting for Rich and Geno to show up. LOL!) I'm sure I've asked you this, so sorry if I sound like Spicolli from Fast Times at Ridgemount High, but DUDE you were there?! I probably saw you there! ... No one was there to see Danko Jones, we were all waiting for Filter... hahahahha that was gold. . . Next time Filter come to Edge 102, we should arrange *beforehand* to meet each other there and go to the McD's across the road or something. Oh, and about the whole "radio listeners having a 20 minute attention span".... mine is more like 20 seconds. I have no patience for the radio. I'd rather listen to a good CD than hear ads and poor music. I feel sorry for the Radio employees because they must feel frustrated for ahving to play music that they don't feel has artistic merit, but have to play so that people will still listen. Later CYnic
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Post by coolbyrne on Jan 2, 2003 23:46:34 GMT -5
DUDE! I was sitting on the steps near the DJ tables with two other girls. We had actually met the first time Rich was there (in July), so it was kinda cool to hook up again. Anyway, we were sitting there, and Danko had just finished his interview, so he stands up and sorta lingers against the pillar right beside us. Not one person approaches him. I whispered to one of the girls that I felt kinda bad- I was going to get him to sign ANYTHING, just so he'd fuck off. (Meanie, I know.) Then we're talking (about Filter), and he finally speaks up and says, "I guess you girls are here to see Filter, huh?" Except he said it in a really snarky tone. So I looked up, snarked in a really droll tone, "Yep," and went right back to talking to the two girls. *meow* I'm super short with short dark hair and dark eyes. I think I posted a pic of me 'n' Robert around here. Weren't you the one who took the pic of your friend and Geno together, and Geno (or your friend) was all, "We need to get into better light?" LOL! -coolbyrne
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Post by cynic_elle on Jan 3, 2003 0:01:39 GMT -5
I'm super short with short dark hair and dark eyes. I think I posted a pic of me 'n' Robert around here. Weren't you the one who took the pic of your friend and Geno together, and Geno (or your friend) was all, "We need to get into better light?" LOL! LMAO about the Danko Jones thing.... I remember reading that and laaaughing! I told Dru and he laughed pretty hard too. He hates Danko Jones. yeaaah that WAS me who took that picture! Those ppl weren't my friends, but I met them at the Edge and talked to them. Chuck got Rich and Geno to sign his guitar, and he was so excited. I've never seen a guy so outwardly happy before. Anyway, he was like "My girlfriend and I got to see Filter on our Anniversary. It was wonderful." Anyway, yeah I met them that day and I asked if they wanted me to take their pic with Geno, but they were facing the wrong way and it would have been all light in the back and all black on their faces, so I said "ok I'm going from the other side, because this just won't develop right" and Geno said something like "hey we've got a photographer here...." (haaa that was pretty fun for me to hear) But as for me, I was there with my friend Dru. We make an interesting pair because I'm 5'2" and he's 6'3" (he's not my boyfriend, but you know how it is when you see two opposites walking down the street) and I have long blonde hair that's 2 feet long... so that's my distinctive feature I guess! We'll have to meet up next time... Later Cynic
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Post by Lexie Chica on Jan 3, 2003 1:44:32 GMT -5
"Ask anyone who works in radio and they'll probably tell you the same thing (and I bet this applies to music videos stations, too)- they've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to discover that the average radio listener's attention span is approximately 20 minutes."
20 minutes? You sure about that? I thought it was less than 3 minutes
Anyway . . . this whole topic is sooo subjective. I suppose trashing an entire genre of music isn't fair . . . and I agree with Cynic (hi Cynic!!) about all the so-called punky thrashing clones like the vines and the hives, as entertaining as they may be. Which is what happened or started to happen after NIN, Pearl Jam, Soundgaarden, Nirvana appeared
Good for Justin Timberlake, Shakira, and yuppers, Shania Twain for writing their own stuff. I guess if you're looking for purely pop entertainment then go for it. It has its place, obviously. But I still contend that you're more likely to find creative, innovative, and yes, 'unsafe' music, in indie and alternative circles. Taking risks is a lot of what it's all about--sure there's crappy indie, alt, nu-metal but I think you're more likely to find something challenging in that lot than in the pure-pop scene. Regarding Radiohead, geesh, you can't even compare Pablo Honey (anyone remember Thom York crooning in his leisure suit, haha) with Kid A or Amnesiac. What's wrong with their taking risks? It took me a while and a few more listens to take in and appreciate the latter two, but heck I will give most music at least a chance. Damn, don't smack me too hard, but I even liked Britney's first song, Hit me Baby, even the video (maybe that goes back to having gone to Catholic school)
I have the same opinion about films -- sure there are some very entertaining and fun movies in the mainstream, and maybe even a provacative flick now and then, but as for more depth and entertainment/quality on a consistent basis, I just don't think it's there. So, check out "A Zed and Two Naughts" by Peter Greenaway and get back to me in the morning. :-) Oh yeah, and if someone could please tell me what "Eraserhead" by Peter Lynch is supposed to mean, or what it means to them, please tell me! I saw it twice in college, once totally wasted and once sober, and I think I enjoyed it more when I was plastered. But not sure I ever got it ugh and ha ;D
Seizures, Lexie
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Post by coolbyrne on Jan 3, 2003 14:08:46 GMT -5
Lexie, I think you've hit the one thing I couldn't put my finger on until I saw your post. Where are the risk takers? I can't even give Justin Timberlake/Shakira/Shania credit, because so what if they're writing their own stuff? It's just as packaged and formulamatic as if they hired a writing staff of 12 to do it for them. (Can someone please tell me why JLo needed 12 writers to write "Jenny from the Block"??) They know what the Billboard audience wants to hear, and what will sell the most records, so they do it. As much as I didn't really like Kid A, at least I could appreciate the risk Radiohead took to put that kind of concept album out... when it could have been so easy for them to churn out OK Computer2. Then, as if to prove their point, they follow that up with Amnesiac? That took balls. There seems to be this idea that when you hit it "big", you sell out or lose your edge. I don't think that's necessarily true, but I can imagine it's a hard road to maintain when everyone around you wants to push you into a formula. The sad thing is, most people allow themselves to get pushed. The risk is gone. You know, in the celluloid genre, there are two groups (as you pointed out, Lexie)- movies and film. The difference, although sometimes subjective, is pretty obvious. "Two Weeks Notice" is a movie. "Gangs of New York" is a film, in much the same way Hugh Grant is a movie star, while Daniel Day Lewis is an actor. Too bad there's nothing like that for music, for us to differentiate. "Mainstream" and "independent" don't quite cut it, because in all fairness, not all mainstream is crap, just as not all independent stuff is gold. Slightly off-topic: If I hear that Zwan song one more fucking time on Edge102... -coolbyrne
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Post by unwillingsong on Jan 3, 2003 14:17:11 GMT -5
Excellent points, Coolbyrne.
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Post by cynic_elle on Jan 3, 2003 18:53:33 GMT -5
Anyway . . . this whole topic is sooo subjective. I suppose trashing an entire genre of music isn't fair . . . and I agree with Cynic (hi Cynic!!) about all the so-called punky thrashing clones like the vines and the hives, as entertaining as they may be. Which is what happened or started to happen after NIN, Pearl Jam, Soundgaarden, Nirvana appeared hey Lexie babe! ...Haven't talked to you in so long! You make some good points... I don't really think that Vines and Hives are clones, but I find it interesting that they all have had a really break-out success rate at the EXACT same time. As long as they are making their own music that means something to them and has artistic merit, then I say bring it. I don't think they're clones, especially compared to the groups that are so clearly fabricated puppets (sum 41, avril lavigne & co.) And as for your comments about people who write their music, yeah I agree; I tend to respect them more if they write their own stuff, but I have to say that I can see where Coolbyrne is coming from when she says that it is still quite manufactured. What I really can't stand is the artists who always "Co-Write" thier stuff with a team of people... it makes you wonder, did they actually write any of it, or is it just a producer/writer doing most of the work while they sit by and say "how bout I say 'sk8er boi' and spell it like that!? isn't that cool!? I'm writing MUSIC!" I think that's all I have to say for now Later CYnic
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Post by filterdgirl on Jan 3, 2003 23:32:25 GMT -5
I think ALL the posts made have been straight hardcore!! You all have made points that are so good (in my opinion) that i find myself sayin "damn right " out loud... ya guys are kick ass LOL -M
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